I read a lot of the interviews and I do do my homework and theres
things being said through Skinners mouth and through Skinners
label.. That Im bitter, that Im the accuser, throwing
accusations around. But Im not. People are asking me about
The Streets and Im telling them my point of view. And then
Im being bombarded with the bitterness thing. But if people
are asking about it, what answer do you give? Skinners still
talking about it all time, but Im supposed to keep quiet?
Its a bit mad. I know the interviews are going about and people
are coming to conclusions about me but I dont feel anyone
can say anything until the albums out there. Then they can
judge what they like. Until then, theyre judging me on something
they dont even know. They havent heard everything.
They havent heard anything.
Its just Chinese whispers.
you spoken to Mike Skinner?
I used to speak to him, but I just ended up arguing on the phone
and stuff and I was in Birmingham and he was somewhere else and
it just wasnt getting me nowhere. And he knows that. So I
didnt speak to him any more. It was just a case of.. He knows
the law. He quoted something to me.. in the eyes of the law,
I havent done nothing wrong. Straight away, its
like hes covered himself, sweet. So Ill go away and
do my music and then people can judge it.
you read the thing by Crispy on The Streets website?
I read that. The story of The Streets?
and it says in capital letters: this was definitely Shauns
idea. Is there some respect for Mike Skinner for having that on
No, cos at the top of that Skinner says this is what
someone I grew up with wrote about me, I didnt know he was
thinking all of this until he wrote it. Its mostly true, except
for the bit about it not being my idea.
All of its true. But I didnt put that stuff on the website.
Other people are saying things but its all coming back to
me. I know the stuffs out there, so Ill just let it
carry on and answer it back the only way I know how.
dont think anyones going to be able to say youre
trying to rip The Streets off. For a start, the beats dont
sound like The Streets; the vocals dont sound like The Streets..
Its not two-step Garage. Theres a Cockney twang in The
Streets as well, isnt there?
its only the lazy journalists youll have to worry about.
Like The Sun.
been in The Sun? Thats some kind of small thrill.
Streets Songs Row Hits Streets.
They made it up. They took it from a story in the Sunday Mercury
[the local paper], phoned the Sunday Mercury reporter up and said
Is Shaun pursuing legal action? And the girl from the
Sunday Mercury said No, hes not. And they were
like, OK. And then out came the story. And then that
just went all over the world. It was all over the website and everywhere.
I dont want to talk about The Streets. What I want to know
is have you really got a dog called Bluenose?
Yeah, of course.
a Blues [Birmingham City] fan?
Yeah, of course. Hes a Rottweiler, about eight years old.
Ive had him since he was nine months.
a terrible name for a Rottweiler, its too cuddly.
Im a bluenose and somebody else had the dog when he was a
pup and I just took him away from where he was because he wasnt
being looked after. He lives with my uncle and hes got a massive
garden and hes a massive old dog now, Bluenose. Its
on his papers and everything. His official name, on the pedigree
papers, is Bluenose something something. His dads name was
Dark Dutch. Ask me another.
wanted to know if you really called what you were doing with Uniq
Yeah. When I was growing up and listening to hip hop. It was all
Gangsta Rap and where I come from it was like, everyones a
geezer and it was like, whatre you doing, listening
to that rap crap? And I dont do Gangsta Rap, cos
Im not a gangster, so it was just Geezer Rap. And then Geezer
Style, eeyar came about. Everywhere you go you see somebody
and everybody goes eeyar, sweet. Or somebody passes
you something and they go eeyar.
And instead of yo.
I didnt like yo ever. Standing in a room full
of geezers going yo, yo. Its not healthy man.
So Id go eee-ooo-aaa-eeyar. And it worked. It
was in my face all the time and I just found it and it worked.
youre a geezer then?
I dunno. Growing up, youd see all the older geezers, and all
the geezers in the pub. Theyre the big hard geezers, arent
they? And growing up Id have my little troubles or whatever
and everybodyd go Eeyar Shaun, youre a geezer
arent ya? And it just came. And now Im older..
Yeah, Im a bit of a geezer when Ive had a beer. Everybodys
a bit of a geezer after a beer.
Ive heard five tracks now and theyre varied, but theres
no garage. Are there going to be garage beats on the album?
There wont be any garage tracks on the album. But there will
be have you heard How Dya Like Me Now? like
hip hop lyrics and a rock beat. Tongue In Cheeks got drum
and bass. My thing was just do whatever track feels good. I was
angry with How Dya Like Me Now, so we got the guitarist and
done the rock beat. Gutted was, well, its a gutted track,
and we wanted strings on it. Theres other tracks coming that
were working on like one with just an acoustic guitar called
Ecstasy Next To Me and I might be messing with some other beats
as well, but they wont be on the album, we might just leak
them out onto the internet, with a two-step garage beat just to
take the piss. But I wont put them on the album.
you dont want comparisons to The Streets?
When the garage came up it just looked like an easy way to make
money. It was selling and I dont think its hard to do
because its just dah-dah-dah. At that time, I was saying well
do this just to get our foot in the door. But now its
a different year and Im not feeling the same as I did last
year, for whatever reasons. So now Im just doing whatever
I feel. But I can safely say theres not a garage beat on the
you always into hip hop?
Always hip hop. Or jungle and hip hop. Or metal and hip hop. I mean
I can get off on Oasis or Paul Weller and that. I can have a little
twang on the guitar but theres always hip hop at the back
of it. Thats my love of music, hip hop.
of the things I liked about Geezer Style was its just a beat
and a rhyme, and theres a beat behind everything on the 5-tracker.
Some times well do a beat and put lyrics to it and other times
Ill have lyrics and Nedosll sort a beat for the lyrics.
But a tempos the first thing. Get a tempo you like.
Set a mood.
Some beats are put together and all the rhythm of the sounds around
it, particularly Belief in the live set at the moment, I could hear
Shaun rapping aound it. Im really happy with that tune.
Thats a real hip hop tune.
I hear that youre working with Fuzz Townshend?
Fuzz drums with the live side of things.
This is Fuzzs bar.
always liked him with Pop Will Eat Itself and Bentleys.
Bentleys played here a few weeks ago. Their first gig for three
read that Richards working at Halesowen College now, teaching
Yeah, I think what theyre teaching is the pitfalls of the
music business, about what to watch out for. About how much crap
there is out there.
Everyone could do with a little book on that.
wouldnt believe it though, would you? You think itll
never happen to you.
I thought that all through life.
We were talking to Michael Grant the keyboard player from Musical
Youth. He was round the studio the other week, and hes doing
stuff like that. Hes hooked up with Pato Banton to try to
show people whats what. He was a millionaire by the time he
was 14 and got totally ripped off by all the people around him.
And you dont. Theres absolutely nothing in the national
curriculum about the music industry.
Its all so new when youre going into it.
someone says heres a million quid you dont
think that its only an advance, thats its really
But you should.
are you doing next?
Weve already been around loads of record shops and just on
the basis of the story theyve said theyll take copies.
Well send out copies to DJs as promo and through the network
of DJs that we know well get vinyl out to them. The only people
buying them will be people whore going to put them on a turntable
and play them.
As soon as thats done, well go for a major release and
perhaps get a helping hand to do it.
If you want to put it in a genre, I called it Urban Breakbeat
Theyll have to have a new sign for that in HMV.
need two racks to fit the name across. Will the album be on Tumbledown as well?
Under Tumbledown but therell be someone else to help us get
it the whole way.